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			<title><![CDATA[A way to get the nasty stuff out of your system]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[The sooner the better would be my guess.
MMS Cure for living in a toxic world!

 

It has been claimed that we are all amazingly toxic in our bodies and that at least like 95% of ALL our illness and diseases would be easily cured by our own body's natural healing abilities if we simply had a thorough detox (and then maintained with good, live organic food).&nbsp;&nbsp;

 

Since we are being loaded up with highly unnatural toxins from any number of sources, is something to be very aware of - even things like the benzene in the fuel at the gas station.&nbsp;&nbsp;And then you've got the water we drink, the whole food supply, the air we breath, the drugs we (may) take, the vaccinations we've had, what falls out of the sky (chemtrails, etc) - the list goes on and on.

Each one is a study in its own right, and protection is not obvious. For example, when you come to realise that the only ingredient in rat poison is Sodium Fluoride, and that that's what they often put in our water (and toothpaste, etc.) and so decide not to drink it, you then have to remember that any other product you buy that's produced with water, like beer, soda, etc. may well have rat poison, sorry, Sodium Fluoride, in it (as well as goodness knows what else!)

How can we 'protect' ourselves from such an onslaught of toxins?&nbsp;&nbsp;How much have we already built up in our bodies?

But there is another view: what if we were instead to become SO clean and toxin free that none of these could ever touch us? To be toxin-free in body, mind and soul?

Now, as far as physical toxins in our body are concerned, the usual advice/recommendation is to go through a thorough detox program, such as fasting on mainly vegetable juices and certain natural herbs, etc. And I have been feeling certain that this is probably a very good idea for me, but I've never got around to doing it and it seems like a lot of effort, etc.

So then something 'miraculous' appears in my reality that appears to be the perfect, rapid and DEEP detox, that seems to be a cure-all for almost ALL diseases - colds to cancer, that chelates heavy metals, etc., and I think - hmm, nice timing! 

And so I'd like to introduce this MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement.

When I first came across a MMS (which is spreading around the globe like wildfire), three things caught my eye:

1) It instantly zaps and kills the world's biggest killer (and which has with no known cure) - malaria! 80% cured within 4hrs, 100% within 24 hrs in over 75,000 trials and after which there are no side effects, and treats pretty much everything else too, even AIDS...

2) a two year supply costs only &#36;13 to buy (or pennies to make yourself) and the discoverer/inventor (Jim Humble) is NOT making any, in fact, he shows you how to make your own and give it/sell it to your friends or on ebay etc. IE NOT about &#36;&#36;&#36; !!

3) The active ingredient - Chlorine Dioxide - is extremely powerful at zapping all unwanted pathogens: anaerobic parasites/ viruses/ bacteria, etc. and everything under pH 7, yet appears to leave all the good stuff alone (unlike chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, etc. which are indiscriminate).

So, MMS is the most remarkable detox/ cure-all that, at first sight looks too good to be true (and I've already been 'burnt' many times by 'miracle cures'!)&nbsp;&nbsp;But if we dismissed it because of that, we'd miss the real miracle cure-all when it DID show up! Plus, such an accelerated healing tool is entirely in line with the speed with which our frequencies are raising, and so, something like this is almost to be expected (high vibrations and heavy toxic loads are incompatible)!

So, Leela and I have taken this one seriously.

Immediately we started using MMS long term things began clearing up, even on early the ramp up to full dose. Such things as background headaches, liver ache (from old hepatitis), tooth absysses, some eczema, athletes foot, seemed to be cured fast.

Now, we thought we led clean lives (we're around 50 yrs old: organic food, fresh sea air, clean water, etc.) until we started MMS - oh golly, has it stirred up and started releasing SO much.&nbsp;&nbsp;The speed at which the toxins are being released has resulted in nausea, tummy upsets, very weak and tired, fevers, Leela even turned yellow even jaundice for a day or so, etc.

Now, we've found the speed of this release can managed by simply cutting back on the dose and working up slowly again (we were a bit enthusiastic).&nbsp;&nbsp;Still, it feels good that all this accumulated toxicity is coming out at last

But we have been shocked at how MUCH is being released (a completely healthy person has no reaction to taking MMS at all - it's completely benign). Where HAS it all come from? Who knows, who cares so long as it's coming out at last. Could be the house we lived in that made us sick from all its woodworm pesticide treatment still coming out of the beams, or previous lifestyles we thought we were long past, or vaccinations, or chlorine in the shower spray,&nbsp;&nbsp;etc. etc. - so many sources, probably all of them and more... but it's clear that we've both been carrying a huge amount of toxic baggage around (again, there are no side-effects or symptoms once the body is clean again!)

You'll need to study the protocol, but, unless you want to zap something like malaria fast and are prepared to put up with a fast toxic release: vomiting and diarrhoea, etc, you start with just 1 drop&nbsp;&nbsp;(or 1/2 if very sick) and work slowly up to 15 drops.

We became very sick and exhausted from the toxic release at 7 drops, so we used kinesiology muscle testing to ask our body how much would be best for it. We were surprised to get the response of just 2 drops.&nbsp;&nbsp;But that was perfect - just enough to continue the job with only minor effects/discomforts. After a several days I'm still on 2 or 3 drops and Leela's back up to 6, and we are still feeling the effects. So, our lesson is really to pace ourselves, even if it takes longer.

On the other hand, our friend with severe tooth absyss pain for 4 years (antibiotics would hardly touch it), ramped straight up to 15 drops in 2 or 3 days. She was violently ill - VIOLENTLY!&nbsp;&nbsp;But the next day the pain had was gone so she could eat on that side again for the first time in 4 years.&nbsp;&nbsp;So she thought it was worth going for it!

So MANY people are reporting miracle cures and results that it's worth a look.&nbsp;&nbsp;And in terms of awareness of all the toxic sources around us, maybe they are blessing in disguise (isn't it always so?!!) Perhaps many people will realise just how important it is to detox, and so clean up and protect themselves from the ALL the background toxins. 

Jim Humble reckons MMS could add 25 years to our lives.&nbsp;&nbsp;I reckon it could add significantly more than that!

Adam at http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/&nbsp;&nbsp;makes the point that MMS is no cure-all for people who are still being served by their disease (who don't want to get well yet).&nbsp;&nbsp;But for those of us that are ready to release it, here's an opportunity!

I've listed some resources below to get you going.

Resources:

Jim Humble's website (with free ebook):
http://www.miraclemineral.org 

And pay close attention to instructions for use which *supersede* his book, on this page:
http://www.miraclemineral.org/importantinfo.php 


This page has many more useful links to info, audios and videos:
http://mmsmiracle.com/about/ 

It's on this site where I bought our MMS:
http://mmsmiracle.com&nbsp;&nbsp;- a mere &#36;13 + &#36;10 P&P for 1 2 years supply.
It took about 10 days to arrive in UK!


OR off ebay, same price with citric acid activator included:
Such as:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MMS-...
I think these large 5.5oz bottles are 30% larger than mine (4oz) plus you get loads of citric acid activator - BARGAIN at &#36;15!

OR in UK
http://www.mineralsupplement.blogspot.com&nbsp;&nbsp;£19.99 +3.95 p&p UK order
almost twice as much, but presumably quicker for UK delivery!


Some forums:

http://miraclemineralsupplementforum.com/ 
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=873&p=1 
http://www.healthsalon.org/category/mms-testimonials/# 
http://www.natmedtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42 
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...438937/pg1 


Blogs:

http://mmsinfo.org/ 
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/&nbsp;&nbsp;Very GOOD!



Partial list of just some sources of toxicity that DON'T have to concern or affect us in our reality!
- starting what we may have picked up in the womb

- to vaccinations (mercury/autism, etc.)

- to the water supply (eg chlorine, pesticides, heavy metals, and fluoride is the main and only ingredient in rat poison! Don't believe me - Google it - eg http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/FLUORIDE.html&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- to the food supply (eg aspartame, pesticides)

- to the drug supply (eg aspartame, fluoride)

- to the air (benzene in fuel, mass spraying/ chemtrails eg
http://imageevent.com/14...&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- to dentistry (mercury fillings, fluoride, etc.)
- to the wine we drink (average 4 pesticides found per bottle)
- to Depleted Uranium nano-particles in our environment http://rense.com/Datapages/dudata.htm&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- etc. etc!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The sooner the better would be my guess.
MMS Cure for living in a toxic world!

 

It has been claimed that we are all amazingly toxic in our bodies and that at least like 95% of ALL our illness and diseases would be easily cured by our own body's natural healing abilities if we simply had a thorough detox (and then maintained with good, live organic food).&nbsp;&nbsp;

 

Since we are being loaded up with highly unnatural toxins from any number of sources, is something to be very aware of - even things like the benzene in the fuel at the gas station.&nbsp;&nbsp;And then you've got the water we drink, the whole food supply, the air we breath, the drugs we (may) take, the vaccinations we've had, what falls out of the sky (chemtrails, etc) - the list goes on and on.

Each one is a study in its own right, and protection is not obvious. For example, when you come to realise that the only ingredient in rat poison is Sodium Fluoride, and that that's what they often put in our water (and toothpaste, etc.) and so decide not to drink it, you then have to remember that any other product you buy that's produced with water, like beer, soda, etc. may well have rat poison, sorry, Sodium Fluoride, in it (as well as goodness knows what else!)

How can we 'protect' ourselves from such an onslaught of toxins?&nbsp;&nbsp;How much have we already built up in our bodies?

But there is another view: what if we were instead to become SO clean and toxin free that none of these could ever touch us? To be toxin-free in body, mind and soul?

Now, as far as physical toxins in our body are concerned, the usual advice/recommendation is to go through a thorough detox program, such as fasting on mainly vegetable juices and certain natural herbs, etc. And I have been feeling certain that this is probably a very good idea for me, but I've never got around to doing it and it seems like a lot of effort, etc.

So then something 'miraculous' appears in my reality that appears to be the perfect, rapid and DEEP detox, that seems to be a cure-all for almost ALL diseases - colds to cancer, that chelates heavy metals, etc., and I think - hmm, nice timing! 

And so I'd like to introduce this MMS or Miracle Mineral Supplement.

When I first came across a MMS (which is spreading around the globe like wildfire), three things caught my eye:

1) It instantly zaps and kills the world's biggest killer (and which has with no known cure) - malaria! 80% cured within 4hrs, 100% within 24 hrs in over 75,000 trials and after which there are no side effects, and treats pretty much everything else too, even AIDS...

2) a two year supply costs only &#36;13 to buy (or pennies to make yourself) and the discoverer/inventor (Jim Humble) is NOT making any, in fact, he shows you how to make your own and give it/sell it to your friends or on ebay etc. IE NOT about &#36;&#36;&#36; !!

3) The active ingredient - Chlorine Dioxide - is extremely powerful at zapping all unwanted pathogens: anaerobic parasites/ viruses/ bacteria, etc. and everything under pH 7, yet appears to leave all the good stuff alone (unlike chlorine, hydrogen peroxide, etc. which are indiscriminate).

So, MMS is the most remarkable detox/ cure-all that, at first sight looks too good to be true (and I've already been 'burnt' many times by 'miracle cures'!)&nbsp;&nbsp;But if we dismissed it because of that, we'd miss the real miracle cure-all when it DID show up! Plus, such an accelerated healing tool is entirely in line with the speed with which our frequencies are raising, and so, something like this is almost to be expected (high vibrations and heavy toxic loads are incompatible)!

So, Leela and I have taken this one seriously.

Immediately we started using MMS long term things began clearing up, even on early the ramp up to full dose. Such things as background headaches, liver ache (from old hepatitis), tooth absysses, some eczema, athletes foot, seemed to be cured fast.

Now, we thought we led clean lives (we're around 50 yrs old: organic food, fresh sea air, clean water, etc.) until we started MMS - oh golly, has it stirred up and started releasing SO much.&nbsp;&nbsp;The speed at which the toxins are being released has resulted in nausea, tummy upsets, very weak and tired, fevers, Leela even turned yellow even jaundice for a day or so, etc.

Now, we've found the speed of this release can managed by simply cutting back on the dose and working up slowly again (we were a bit enthusiastic).&nbsp;&nbsp;Still, it feels good that all this accumulated toxicity is coming out at last

But we have been shocked at how MUCH is being released (a completely healthy person has no reaction to taking MMS at all - it's completely benign). Where HAS it all come from? Who knows, who cares so long as it's coming out at last. Could be the house we lived in that made us sick from all its woodworm pesticide treatment still coming out of the beams, or previous lifestyles we thought we were long past, or vaccinations, or chlorine in the shower spray,&nbsp;&nbsp;etc. etc. - so many sources, probably all of them and more... but it's clear that we've both been carrying a huge amount of toxic baggage around (again, there are no side-effects or symptoms once the body is clean again!)

You'll need to study the protocol, but, unless you want to zap something like malaria fast and are prepared to put up with a fast toxic release: vomiting and diarrhoea, etc, you start with just 1 drop&nbsp;&nbsp;(or 1/2 if very sick) and work slowly up to 15 drops.

We became very sick and exhausted from the toxic release at 7 drops, so we used kinesiology muscle testing to ask our body how much would be best for it. We were surprised to get the response of just 2 drops.&nbsp;&nbsp;But that was perfect - just enough to continue the job with only minor effects/discomforts. After a several days I'm still on 2 or 3 drops and Leela's back up to 6, and we are still feeling the effects. So, our lesson is really to pace ourselves, even if it takes longer.

On the other hand, our friend with severe tooth absyss pain for 4 years (antibiotics would hardly touch it), ramped straight up to 15 drops in 2 or 3 days. She was violently ill - VIOLENTLY!&nbsp;&nbsp;But the next day the pain had was gone so she could eat on that side again for the first time in 4 years.&nbsp;&nbsp;So she thought it was worth going for it!

So MANY people are reporting miracle cures and results that it's worth a look.&nbsp;&nbsp;And in terms of awareness of all the toxic sources around us, maybe they are blessing in disguise (isn't it always so?!!) Perhaps many people will realise just how important it is to detox, and so clean up and protect themselves from the ALL the background toxins. 

Jim Humble reckons MMS could add 25 years to our lives.&nbsp;&nbsp;I reckon it could add significantly more than that!

Adam at http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/&nbsp;&nbsp;makes the point that MMS is no cure-all for people who are still being served by their disease (who don't want to get well yet).&nbsp;&nbsp;But for those of us that are ready to release it, here's an opportunity!

I've listed some resources below to get you going.

Resources:

Jim Humble's website (with free ebook):
http://www.miraclemineral.org 

And pay close attention to instructions for use which *supersede* his book, on this page:
http://www.miraclemineral.org/importantinfo.php 


This page has many more useful links to info, audios and videos:
http://mmsmiracle.com/about/ 

It's on this site where I bought our MMS:
http://mmsmiracle.com&nbsp;&nbsp;- a mere &#36;13 + &#36;10 P&P for 1 2 years supply.
It took about 10 days to arrive in UK!


OR off ebay, same price with citric acid activator included:
Such as:
http://cgi.ebay.com/MMS-...
I think these large 5.5oz bottles are 30% larger than mine (4oz) plus you get loads of citric acid activator - BARGAIN at &#36;15!

OR in UK
http://www.mineralsupplement.blogspot.com&nbsp;&nbsp;£19.99 +3.95 p&p UK order
almost twice as much, but presumably quicker for UK delivery!


Some forums:

http://miraclemineralsupplementforum.com/ 
http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=873&p=1 
http://www.healthsalon.org/category/mms-testimonials/# 
http://www.natmedtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=42 
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1...438937/pg1 


Blogs:

http://mmsinfo.org/ 
http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/&nbsp;&nbsp;Very GOOD!



Partial list of just some sources of toxicity that DON'T have to concern or affect us in our reality!
- starting what we may have picked up in the womb

- to vaccinations (mercury/autism, etc.)

- to the water supply (eg chlorine, pesticides, heavy metals, and fluoride is the main and only ingredient in rat poison! Don't believe me - Google it - eg http://www.geocities.com/northstarzone/FLUORIDE.html&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- to the food supply (eg aspartame, pesticides)

- to the drug supply (eg aspartame, fluoride)

- to the air (benzene in fuel, mass spraying/ chemtrails eg
http://imageevent.com/14...&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- to dentistry (mercury fillings, fluoride, etc.)
- to the wine we drink (average 4 pesticides found per bottle)
- to Depleted Uranium nano-particles in our environment http://rense.com/Datapages/dudata.htm&nbsp;&nbsp;)

- etc. etc!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Involvement by SA &amp; taking Action!]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 11:36:50 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Hi guys...

I recently read somewhere that South Africa is a big supplier of DU to militaries around the world. Being a South African this concerns me. 

I have done some research, but couldn't find anything to support this claim. Also considering SA's nuclear history, I find this unlikely.

If however it turns out to be true, I would like to take action. What can I do about this?

Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hi guys...

I recently read somewhere that South Africa is a big supplier of DU to militaries around the world. Being a South African this concerns me. 

I have done some research, but couldn't find anything to support this claim. Also considering SA's nuclear history, I find this unlikely.

If however it turns out to be true, I would like to take action. What can I do about this?

Thanks!]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bravo30 is a Troll, see thread in Dumping brass]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Bravo30 is a Troll, see thread in Dumping brass, I will be leaving his threads topside for 24 hours then everything vanishes EXCEPT his whining threads down in the basement.

I'd like to take a moment to thank all of our outstanding members who have made an effort to make the Troll feel welcome here on AK Files, a sure demonstration of the outstanding membership we have to welcome even those with tons of baggage at face value!!! this message will be posted to all of his active topside threads pending my erradication of the vermin in 24 hours.... if ya have anything ya'd like to express please do so in the Dumping brass threads all topside threads will be locked pending deletion... ALL POSTS BY THIS TROLL WILL BE EDITED WITH THIS MESSAGE REPLACING THE TROLLS TEXT.

DStorm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Bravo30 is a Troll, see thread in Dumping brass, I will be leaving his threads topside for 24 hours then everything vanishes EXCEPT his whining threads down in the basement.

I'd like to take a moment to thank all of our outstanding members who have made an effort to make the Troll feel welcome here on AK Files, a sure demonstration of the outstanding membership we have to welcome even those with tons of baggage at face value!!! this message will be posted to all of his active topside threads pending my erradication of the vermin in 24 hours.... if ya have anything ya'd like to express please do so in the Dumping brass threads all topside threads will be locked pending deletion... ALL POSTS BY THIS TROLL WILL BE EDITED WITH THIS MESSAGE REPLACING THE TROLLS TEXT.

DStorm]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bravo30 in heat]]></title>
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			<title><![CDATA[im a sick troll]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[You are really a blockhead. I'm not doing anything except reporting the data. If you want to know what data were gathered and how, go to the Bureau . I'm sure they explain it in detail.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[You are really a blockhead. I'm not doing anything except reporting the data. If you want to know what data were gathered and how, go to the Bureau . I'm sure they explain it in detail.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Bob Dylan - Masters of War]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Something I sent to DU-Watch a while ago.

Quote:I followed a suggestion found in a great 9/11 article I was reading
today. I looked up the words to the Bob Dylan song Masters of War. As
usual, Dylan's simple but profound poetry sent shivers through my body
several times before I finished reading. I'd like to share it, because
sometimes our memory fails us, and we forget how much we really do
care. It seems to me that now is the time for an unstoppable wave of
action on the issue of depleted uranium. It's all going to break soon
- all the atrocities piled upon war crimes wrapped in the flags that
we honour are going to come pouring forth into a global sense of grim
admission that the worst of our fears are basically all true. We,
sadly, are a species that is ill-equipped to defend itself from evil.
Perhaps it is because evil puzzles us, for we are all good people, the
meek, as the Bible called us. I think before they inherit the earth,
they need to rise up.

Just listen to Bob.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Something I sent to DU-Watch a while ago.

Quote:I followed a suggestion found in a great 9/11 article I was reading
today. I looked up the words to the Bob Dylan song Masters of War. As
usual, Dylan's simple but profound poetry sent shivers through my body
several times before I finished reading. I'd like to share it, because
sometimes our memory fails us, and we forget how much we really do
care. It seems to me that now is the time for an unstoppable wave of
action on the issue of depleted uranium. It's all going to break soon
- all the atrocities piled upon war crimes wrapped in the flags that
we honour are going to come pouring forth into a global sense of grim
admission that the worst of our fears are basically all true. We,
sadly, are a species that is ill-equipped to defend itself from evil.
Perhaps it is because evil puzzles us, for we are all good people, the
meek, as the Bible called us. I think before they inherit the earth,
they need to rise up.

Just listen to Bob.

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand o'er your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead

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			<title><![CDATA[White phosphorus (photo)]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=94</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 03:45:28 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I was just looking for a good thing to do with this dramatic photo of white phosphorus in use I found on the net at APFN.org. I thought I should put it here.

It is best to click the title link to read the original, which has linking that I'm too lazy to reproduce here.


Quote:White phosphorus called Shake and Bake



To downplay the political impact of revelations that&nbsp;&nbsp;U.S. forces used deadly white phosphorus rounds against Iraqi insurgents in Falluja last year, Pentagon officials have insisted that phosphorus munitions are legal since they&nbsp;&nbsp;aren’t technically “chemical weapons.”

The media have helped them. For instance, the New York Times ran a piece today on the phosphorus controversy. On at least three occasions, the Times emphasizes that the phosphorus rounds are “incendiary muntions” that have been “incorrectly called chemical weapons.”

But the distinction is a minor one, and arguably political in nature. A formerly classified 1995 Pentagon intelligence document titled “Possible Use of Phosphorous Chemical” describes the use of white phosphorus by Saddam Hussein on Kurdish fighters:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IRAQ HAS POSSIBLY EMPLOYED PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST THE KURDISH POPULATION IN AREAS ALONG THE IRAQI-TURKISH-IRANIAN BORDERS. […]

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES’ OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL TO PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ.

In other words, the Pentagon does refer to white phosphorus rounds as chemical weapons — at least if they’re used by our enemies.

The real point here goes beyond the Pentagon’s legalistic parsings. The use of white phosphorus against enemy fighters is a “terribly ill-conceived method,” demonstrating an Army interested “only in the immediate tactical gain and its felicitous shake and bake fun.” And the dishonest efforts by Bush administration officials to deny and downplay that use only further undermines U.S. credibility abroad.

To paraphrase President Bush, this isn’t a question about what is legal, it’s about what is right. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/21/phos...-chemical/ 


and this too, on the same page.


Quote:November 29, 2005
Editorial
Shake and Bake
Let us pause and count the ways the conduct of the war in Iraq has damaged America's image and needlessly endangered the lives of those in the military. First, multilateralism was tossed aside. Then the post-invasion fiasco muddied the reputation of military planners and caused unnecessary casualties. The W.M.D. myth undermined the credibility of United States intelligence and President Bush himself, and the abuse of prisoners stole America's moral high ground.

Now the use of a ghastly weapon called white phosphorus has raised questions about how careful the military has been in avoiding civilian casualties. It has also further tarnished America's credibility on international treaties and the rules of warfare.

White phosphorus, which dates to World War II, should have been banned generations ago. Packed into an artillery shell, it explodes over a battlefield in a white glare that can illuminate an enemy's positions. It also rains balls of flaming chemicals, which cling to anything they touch and burn until their oxygen supply is cut off. They can burn for hours inside a human body.

The United States restricted the use of incendiaries like white phosphorus after Vietnam, and in 1983, an international convention banned its use against civilians. In fact, one of the many crimes ascribed to Saddam Hussein was dropping white phosphorus on Kurdish rebels and civilians in 1991.

But white phosphorus has made an ugly comeback. Italian television reported that American forces used it in Falluja last year against insurgents. At first, the Pentagon said the chemical had been used only to illuminate the battlefield, but had to backpedal when it turned out that one of the Army's own publications talked about using white phosphorus against insurgent positions, a practice well known enough to have one of those unsettling military nicknames: "shake and bake."

The Pentagon says white phosphorus was never aimed at civilians, but there are lingering reports of civilian victims. The military can't say whether the reports are true and does not intend to investigate them, a decision we find difficult to comprehend. Pentagon spokesmen say the Army took "extraordinary measures" to reduce civilian casualties, but they cannot say what those measures were.

They also say that using white phosphorus against military targets is legal. That's true, but the 1983 convention bans its use against "civilians or civilian objects," which would make white phosphorus attacks in urban settings like Falluja highly inappropriate at best. The United States signed that convention, but the portion dealing with incendiary weapons has been awaiting ratification in the Senate.

These are technicalities, in any case. Iraq, where winning over wary civilians is as critical as defeating armed insurgents, is no place to be using a weapon like this. More broadly, American demands for counterproliferation efforts and international arms control ring a bit hollow when the United States refuses to give up white phosphorus, not to mention cluster bombs and land mines.

The United States should be leading the world, not dragging its feet, when it comes to this sort of issue - because it's right and because all of us, including Americans, are safer in a world in which certain forms of conduct are regarded as too inhumane even for war. That is why torture should be banned in American prisons. And it is why the United States should stop using white phosphorus.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I was just looking for a good thing to do with this dramatic photo of white phosphorus in use I found on the net at APFN.org. I thought I should put it here.

It is best to click the title link to read the original, which has linking that I'm too lazy to reproduce here.


Quote:White phosphorus called Shake and Bake



To downplay the political impact of revelations that&nbsp;&nbsp;U.S. forces used deadly white phosphorus rounds against Iraqi insurgents in Falluja last year, Pentagon officials have insisted that phosphorus munitions are legal since they&nbsp;&nbsp;aren’t technically “chemical weapons.”

The media have helped them. For instance, the New York Times ran a piece today on the phosphorus controversy. On at least three occasions, the Times emphasizes that the phosphorus rounds are “incendiary muntions” that have been “incorrectly called chemical weapons.”

But the distinction is a minor one, and arguably political in nature. A formerly classified 1995 Pentagon intelligence document titled “Possible Use of Phosphorous Chemical” describes the use of white phosphorus by Saddam Hussein on Kurdish fighters:

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IRAQ HAS POSSIBLY EMPLOYED PHOSPHOROUS CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST THE KURDISH POPULATION IN AREAS ALONG THE IRAQI-TURKISH-IRANIAN BORDERS. […]

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IN LATE FEBRUARY 1991, FOLLOWING THE COALITION FORCES’ OVERWHELMING VICTORY OVER IRAQ, KURDISH REBELS STEPPED UP THEIR STRUGGLE AGAINST IRAQI FORCES IN NORTHERN IRAQ. DURING THE BRUTAL CRACKDOWN THAT FOLLOWED THE KURDISH UPRISING, IRAQI FORCES LOYAL TO PRESIDENT SADDAM ((HUSSEIN)) MAY HAVE POSSIBLY USED WHITE PHOSPHOROUS (WP) CHEMICAL WEAPONS AGAINST KURDISH REBELS AND THE POPULACE IN ERBIL (GEOCOORD:3412N/04401E) (VICINITY OF IRANIAN BORDER) AND DOHUK (GEOCOORD:3652N/04301E) (VICINITY OF IRAQI BORDER) PROVINCES, IRAQ.

In other words, the Pentagon does refer to white phosphorus rounds as chemical weapons — at least if they’re used by our enemies.

The real point here goes beyond the Pentagon’s legalistic parsings. The use of white phosphorus against enemy fighters is a “terribly ill-conceived method,” demonstrating an Army interested “only in the immediate tactical gain and its felicitous shake and bake fun.” And the dishonest efforts by Bush administration officials to deny and downplay that use only further undermines U.S. credibility abroad.

To paraphrase President Bush, this isn’t a question about what is legal, it’s about what is right. http://thinkprogress.org/2005/11/21/phos...-chemical/ 


and this too, on the same page.


Quote:November 29, 2005
Editorial
Shake and Bake
Let us pause and count the ways the conduct of the war in Iraq has damaged America's image and needlessly endangered the lives of those in the military. First, multilateralism was tossed aside. Then the post-invasion fiasco muddied the reputation of military planners and caused unnecessary casualties. The W.M.D. myth undermined the credibility of United States intelligence and President Bush himself, and the abuse of prisoners stole America's moral high ground.

Now the use of a ghastly weapon called white phosphorus has raised questions about how careful the military has been in avoiding civilian casualties. It has also further tarnished America's credibility on international treaties and the rules of warfare.

White phosphorus, which dates to World War II, should have been banned generations ago. Packed into an artillery shell, it explodes over a battlefield in a white glare that can illuminate an enemy's positions. It also rains balls of flaming chemicals, which cling to anything they touch and burn until their oxygen supply is cut off. They can burn for hours inside a human body.

The United States restricted the use of incendiaries like white phosphorus after Vietnam, and in 1983, an international convention banned its use against civilians. In fact, one of the many crimes ascribed to Saddam Hussein was dropping white phosphorus on Kurdish rebels and civilians in 1991.

But white phosphorus has made an ugly comeback. Italian television reported that American forces used it in Falluja last year against insurgents. At first, the Pentagon said the chemical had been used only to illuminate the battlefield, but had to backpedal when it turned out that one of the Army's own publications talked about using white phosphorus against insurgent positions, a practice well known enough to have one of those unsettling military nicknames: "shake and bake."

The Pentagon says white phosphorus was never aimed at civilians, but there are lingering reports of civilian victims. The military can't say whether the reports are true and does not intend to investigate them, a decision we find difficult to comprehend. Pentagon spokesmen say the Army took "extraordinary measures" to reduce civilian casualties, but they cannot say what those measures were.

They also say that using white phosphorus against military targets is legal. That's true, but the 1983 convention bans its use against "civilians or civilian objects," which would make white phosphorus attacks in urban settings like Falluja highly inappropriate at best. The United States signed that convention, but the portion dealing with incendiary weapons has been awaiting ratification in the Senate.

These are technicalities, in any case. Iraq, where winning over wary civilians is as critical as defeating armed insurgents, is no place to be using a weapon like this. More broadly, American demands for counterproliferation efforts and international arms control ring a bit hollow when the United States refuses to give up white phosphorus, not to mention cluster bombs and land mines.

The United States should be leading the world, not dragging its feet, when it comes to this sort of issue - because it's right and because all of us, including Americans, are safer in a world in which certain forms of conduct are regarded as too inhumane even for war. That is why torture should be banned in American prisons. And it is why the United States should stop using white phosphorus.

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			<title><![CDATA[New molecule eats uranium oxides]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=93</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:16:37 -0800</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[There is some interesting information in this story.
(It was submitted but rejected by DU-Watch by the way.)

http://tinyurl.com/2u2ots

'Pac-Man' molecule chews up uranium contamination

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* 17 January 2008
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* Paul Marks

A MOLECULE that can bite a uranium-containing ion between its "jaws", not unlike the munching blob in the arcade game Pac-Man, could one day lead to a way to clean up groundwater contaminated with the toxic metal.

Uranium leaches into groundwater from natural deposits of its ore, depleted uranium munitions, nuclear facilities and the detritus of uranium mining. It occurs most commonly in the form of the water-soluble uranyl ion, (UO2)2+, in which the uranium atom is linked to two oxygen atoms by double bonds.

Allowing uranyl to react with other substances might change it into a different, insoluble ion, which can be filtered out. But uranium binds very strongly to oxygen - the bonds it forms are 25 per cent stronger than typical double bonds - making the uranyl ion very stable. Combined with its solubility, this makes dissolved uranium virtually impossible to remove. "It's a very problematic, persistent groundwater contaminant," says Polly Arnold, a chemist at the University of Edinburgh in the UK.

Enter Pac-Man. Arnold's colleague Jason Love had been working on improving catalysts for fuel cells using a large organic molecule known as a macrocycle, that can fold in half to form a structure like a pair of jaws. Love was using the gap between the jaws to capture a pair of cobalt ions, but Arnold realised that it was just the right size and shape to clamp onto a uranyl ion.

When she added the macrocycle molecule to uranyl ions dissolved in an organic solvent, she found that it did indeed capture them in its jaws, leaving one oxygen atom protruding (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature06467). What's more, a silicon-containing compound present in the mixture was able to bind to the protruding oxygen atom, a sign that the uranyl's stubborn bonds with oxygen had been weakened.

Because the macrocycle is destroyed by water, it cannot be used to remove uranium from contaminated water. But Arnold's team believe their demonstration that the uranyl ion's bonds can be loosened is a first step towards finding substances that can transform dissolved uranyl into an insoluble compound. "No one has been able to do this before," says Arnold. "We might now be able to develop and suggest new pathways for uranium removal from solution."

Robin Taylor, a chemist with Nexia Solutions, the research arm of British Nuclear Fuels in Sellafield in the UK, says the findings will help develop better processes for uranium sequestration and boost confidence in dealing with nuclear materials and waste.

The Edinburgh team will also investigate how some bacteria and iron-rich minerals reduce uranium concentrations naturally in contaminated water, and whether the macrocycle is able to loosen bonds in ions containing plutonium.

The Nuclear Age - Learn more about all things nuclear in our explosive special report.
From issue 2639 of New Scientist magazine, 17 January 2008, page 24]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[There is some interesting information in this story.
(It was submitted but rejected by DU-Watch by the way.)

http://tinyurl.com/2u2ots

'Pac-Man' molecule chews up uranium contamination

&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* 17 January 2008
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* From New Scientist Print Edition. Subscribe and get 4 free issues
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;* Paul Marks

A MOLECULE that can bite a uranium-containing ion between its "jaws", not unlike the munching blob in the arcade game Pac-Man, could one day lead to a way to clean up groundwater contaminated with the toxic metal.

Uranium leaches into groundwater from natural deposits of its ore, depleted uranium munitions, nuclear facilities and the detritus of uranium mining. It occurs most commonly in the form of the water-soluble uranyl ion, (UO2)2+, in which the uranium atom is linked to two oxygen atoms by double bonds.

Allowing uranyl to react with other substances might change it into a different, insoluble ion, which can be filtered out. But uranium binds very strongly to oxygen - the bonds it forms are 25 per cent stronger than typical double bonds - making the uranyl ion very stable. Combined with its solubility, this makes dissolved uranium virtually impossible to remove. "It's a very problematic, persistent groundwater contaminant," says Polly Arnold, a chemist at the University of Edinburgh in the UK.

Enter Pac-Man. Arnold's colleague Jason Love had been working on improving catalysts for fuel cells using a large organic molecule known as a macrocycle, that can fold in half to form a structure like a pair of jaws. Love was using the gap between the jaws to capture a pair of cobalt ions, but Arnold realised that it was just the right size and shape to clamp onto a uranyl ion.

When she added the macrocycle molecule to uranyl ions dissolved in an organic solvent, she found that it did indeed capture them in its jaws, leaving one oxygen atom protruding (Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature06467). What's more, a silicon-containing compound present in the mixture was able to bind to the protruding oxygen atom, a sign that the uranyl's stubborn bonds with oxygen had been weakened.

Because the macrocycle is destroyed by water, it cannot be used to remove uranium from contaminated water. But Arnold's team believe their demonstration that the uranyl ion's bonds can be loosened is a first step towards finding substances that can transform dissolved uranyl into an insoluble compound. "No one has been able to do this before," says Arnold. "We might now be able to develop and suggest new pathways for uranium removal from solution."

Robin Taylor, a chemist with Nexia Solutions, the research arm of British Nuclear Fuels in Sellafield in the UK, says the findings will help develop better processes for uranium sequestration and boost confidence in dealing with nuclear materials and waste.

The Edinburgh team will also investigate how some bacteria and iron-rich minerals reduce uranium concentrations naturally in contaminated water, and whether the macrocycle is able to loosen bonds in ions containing plutonium.

The Nuclear Age - Learn more about all things nuclear in our explosive special report.
From issue 2639 of New Scientist magazine, 17 January 2008, page 24]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[New DU detection method]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=91</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 19:35:15 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Apparently a new procedure for detecting even small amounts of DU in urine even 20 years later has been developed:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...083640.htm

If confirmed, this should be a great tool for use in studies comparing rates of cancer, birth defects, etc. in exposed individuals  to the non-exposed, and therefore more reliably determine the degree of danger posed by DU inhalation.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Apparently a new procedure for detecting even small amounts of DU in urine even 20 years later has been developed:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/200...083640.htm

If confirmed, this should be a great tool for use in studies comparing rates of cancer, birth defects, etc. in exposed individuals  to the non-exposed, and therefore more reliably determine the degree of danger posed by DU inhalation.  ]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Regina Post story with extremely shocking claims]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=90</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:08:24 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Can anyone offer some comments on this article published by the Regina Post (Saskatchewan, Canada)? The author has filled it with detailed accusations of rampant DU use in the 2003 War on Iraq. Depleted uranium enduring risk

For example:

Quote:For the Tora Bora bunkers, the U.S. Air Force allotted 32 individual GBU-31, 2,000-lb bombs, carried by the B-1 Lancer bombers, launched from the U.S.A. and from Diego Garcia. A single aircraft can carry up to 24 tons of bombs. The 5,000-lb bunker busters and the earth penetrator weapons were dropped by B-2 bombers. Within a few days, the U.S. government announced that they had destroyed the main targets.
...
By Nov. 5 the number of individual air missions was up to 120 per day, adding F-16 and F-15 fighter-bombers out of U.S. bases in Kuwait.

The turning point in the war to oust the Taliban government came on Nov. 6 at Mazar-e Sharif, a key city in the northern plains. Attack aircraft rained down hundreds of MK82 500-lb bombs. B-52 bombers used carpet bombing to kill thousands of Taliban forces. It was here that U.S. forces dropped the first BLU-82 Daisy Cutter bomb, each weighing 15,000 lbs, producing devastation over a 600-yard radius. All the weapons used by the U.S. air attack included depleted uranium shielding.

and

Quote:A typical bunker bomb contains 1.5 tonnes of depleted uranium.


Surely, the military would disagree with some of these statements. So why did a major newspaper in a province with a huge uranium industry run the story? This surprises me. And, if the claims are false, why hasn't the paper been sued for libel?

I would like to see some more information on these claims.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Can anyone offer some comments on this article published by the Regina Post (Saskatchewan, Canada)? The author has filled it with detailed accusations of rampant DU use in the 2003 War on Iraq. Depleted uranium enduring risk

For example:

Quote:For the Tora Bora bunkers, the U.S. Air Force allotted 32 individual GBU-31, 2,000-lb bombs, carried by the B-1 Lancer bombers, launched from the U.S.A. and from Diego Garcia. A single aircraft can carry up to 24 tons of bombs. The 5,000-lb bunker busters and the earth penetrator weapons were dropped by B-2 bombers. Within a few days, the U.S. government announced that they had destroyed the main targets.
...
By Nov. 5 the number of individual air missions was up to 120 per day, adding F-16 and F-15 fighter-bombers out of U.S. bases in Kuwait.

The turning point in the war to oust the Taliban government came on Nov. 6 at Mazar-e Sharif, a key city in the northern plains. Attack aircraft rained down hundreds of MK82 500-lb bombs. B-52 bombers used carpet bombing to kill thousands of Taliban forces. It was here that U.S. forces dropped the first BLU-82 Daisy Cutter bomb, each weighing 15,000 lbs, producing devastation over a 600-yard radius. All the weapons used by the U.S. air attack included depleted uranium shielding.

and

Quote:A typical bunker bomb contains 1.5 tonnes of depleted uranium.


Surely, the military would disagree with some of these statements. So why did a major newspaper in a province with a huge uranium industry run the story? This surprises me. And, if the claims are false, why hasn't the paper been sued for libel?

I would like to see some more information on these claims.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Journalists against DU - Another list to grow]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=89</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is the companion thread to Scientists against DU - A list to grow.

As I plow on through all the DU information that I come across, it becomes more clear all tha time that a wide range of informed people are on the record as opposing the use of DU weapons, or at least, the indiscrimant use of them that prevails.

Everyone is impressed by scientific credentials, such is the power of the temple of Science upon which modern society stakes its moral claim to rightousness. But it has become clear to me that another breed of DU opposer might have a modicum of clout as well. That would be journalists. Perhaps (hopefully) there will soon be a need for a list of celebrities against DU.

Clearly, non-PhD.-holding anti-DU "activists" such as myself and the intrepid Leuren Moret, who dislikes me and to whom I could never hold a damp squip, are not worthy of intellectual respect in the eyes of society's information managers, well, most of them, so we don't need a list. But I made one here anyway.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This is the companion thread to Scientists against DU - A list to grow.

As I plow on through all the DU information that I come across, it becomes more clear all tha time that a wide range of informed people are on the record as opposing the use of DU weapons, or at least, the indiscrimant use of them that prevails.

Everyone is impressed by scientific credentials, such is the power of the temple of Science upon which modern society stakes its moral claim to rightousness. But it has become clear to me that another breed of DU opposer might have a modicum of clout as well. That would be journalists. Perhaps (hopefully) there will soon be a need for a list of celebrities against DU.

Clearly, non-PhD.-holding anti-DU "activists" such as myself and the intrepid Leuren Moret, who dislikes me and to whom I could never hold a damp squip, are not worthy of intellectual respect in the eyes of society's information managers, well, most of them, so we don't need a list. But I made one here anyway.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Has God/Goddess/AllThatIs declared war on US?]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=88</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:16:59 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Back when I first started posting on political forums in 2003, I ran this thread. 

Has God/Goddess/AllThatIs (GGATI) declared war on US?

I say that He/She/They have and I will cite the many instances of weather related catastrophes as my proof. But why would GGATI do that? 

simple... We have spread our nuclear waste used in our munitions across the lands many consider holy... Iraq...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Back when I first started posting on political forums in 2003, I ran this thread. 

Has God/Goddess/AllThatIs (GGATI) declared war on US?

I say that He/She/They have and I will cite the many instances of weather related catastrophes as my proof. But why would GGATI do that? 

simple... We have spread our nuclear waste used in our munitions across the lands many consider holy... Iraq...]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Ghost Town: Biking Chernobyl]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=87</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:29:28 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is a powerful photo/text diary describing the countryside surrounding Chernobyl by a woman who mortorcycled through it.

Ghost Town

and they continually claim nuclear power is clean, safe energy... 

sure... uh huh... right... 

Lurkers... do these pictures look like it was safe to you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This is a powerful photo/text diary describing the countryside surrounding Chernobyl by a woman who mortorcycled through it.

Ghost Town

and they continually claim nuclear power is clean, safe energy... 

sure... uh huh... right... 

Lurkers... do these pictures look like it was safe to you?]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Depleted Uranium Storage]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=86</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 11:15:46 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Often times, when discussing Depleted Uranium with those that support it's use, you will be faced with the supposition that because DU is "depleted" it is somehow safe.

I like using this site to ask those folks, why, if it is as safe as they say it is, that those charged with storing it store it as they do... in large steel cylinders, stacked on concrete pads, behind fences and away from humans... they never have a response... go figure...


Quote:Depleted UF6 Storage
Approximately 704,000 metric tons of depleted UF6 is stored in steel cylinders at three sites in the U.S.


U.S. DOE's inventory of depleted UF6 consists of approximately 700,000 metric tons of depleted UF6, containing about 470,000 metric tons of uranium, currently stored at the Paducah Site in Kentucky, the Portsmouth Site in Ohio, and the East Tennessee Technology Park (ETTP) in Tennessee (formerly known as the K-25 Site). This inventory of depleted UF6 is stored in about 57,000 steel cylinders.

...snip

Cylinder Descriptions

Several different cylinder types are in use, although the vast majority of cylinders are designed to contain 14-tons (12-metric tons) of depleted UF6. The 14-ton-capacity cylinders are 12 ft (3.7 m) long by 4 ft (1.2 m) in diameter, with most having an initial wall thickness of 5/16 in. (0.79 cm) of steel. The cylinders have external stiffening rings that provide support. Lifting lugs for handling are attached to the stiffening rings. A small percentage of the cylinders have skirted ends (extensions of the cylinder walls past the rounded ends of the cylinder). Each cylinder has a single valve for filling and emptying located on one end at the 12 o'clock position. Similar, but slightly smaller, cylinders designed to contain 10 tons (9 metric tons) of depleted UF6 are also in use. Cylinders are manufactured in accordance with an American National Standards Institute standard (ANSI N14.1, American National Standard for Nuclear Materials - Uranium Hexafluoride - Packaging for Transport) as specified in 49 CFR 173.420, the federal regulations governing transport of depleted UF6.

...snip


Lurkers... Depleted Uranium doesn't seem to be as safe as the righties like to claim it is when the industry goes to these lengths to store it. 

Now does it?

:rolleyes:]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Often times, when discussing Depleted Uranium with those that support it's use, you will be faced with the supposition that because DU is "depleted" it is somehow safe.

I like using this site to ask those folks, why, if it is as safe as they say it is, that those charged with storing it store it as they do... in large steel cylinders, stacked on concrete pads, behind fences and away from humans... they never have a response... go figure...


Quote:Depleted UF6 Storage
Approximately 704,000 metric tons of depleted UF6 is stored in steel cylinders at three sites in the U.S.


U.S. DOE's inventory of depleted UF6 consists of approximately 700,000 metric tons of depleted UF6, containing about 470,000 metric tons of uranium, currently stored at the Paducah Site in Kentucky, the Portsmouth Site in Ohio, and the East Tennessee Technology Park (ETTP) in Tennessee (formerly known as the K-25 Site). This inventory of depleted UF6 is stored in about 57,000 steel cylinders.

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Cylinder Descriptions

Several different cylinder types are in use, although the vast majority of cylinders are designed to contain 14-tons (12-metric tons) of depleted UF6. The 14-ton-capacity cylinders are 12 ft (3.7 m) long by 4 ft (1.2 m) in diameter, with most having an initial wall thickness of 5/16 in. (0.79 cm) of steel. The cylinders have external stiffening rings that provide support. Lifting lugs for handling are attached to the stiffening rings. A small percentage of the cylinders have skirted ends (extensions of the cylinder walls past the rounded ends of the cylinder). Each cylinder has a single valve for filling and emptying located on one end at the 12 o'clock position. Similar, but slightly smaller, cylinders designed to contain 10 tons (9 metric tons) of depleted UF6 are also in use. Cylinders are manufactured in accordance with an American National Standards Institute standard (ANSI N14.1, American National Standard for Nuclear Materials - Uranium Hexafluoride - Packaging for Transport) as specified in 49 CFR 173.420, the federal regulations governing transport of depleted UF6.

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Lurkers... Depleted Uranium doesn't seem to be as safe as the righties like to claim it is when the industry goes to these lengths to store it. 

Now does it?

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			<title><![CDATA[Low-Yield Earth-Penetrating Nuclear Weapons]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:58:28 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[In order to debunk the righties supposition that earth penetrating bunker buster nukes can be used safely, you need powerful information. This site provides just that.

What you have to ask yourself is will the explosion be contained, because if it isn't, you are going to have fallout... and fallout will kill thousands if not millions of innocent people... 

So just how deep does a nuke have to be to contain ALL of the radioactivity?

This site will tell you that, and I guarantee after you have read it, you too will not believe any safety assurances coming out of the government regarding the use of mini-nukes. You will know that those assurances are patently false.


Quote:Low-Yield Earth-Penetrating Nuclear WeaponsBy Robert W. Nelson 
FAS Public Interest Report 
The Journal of the Federation of American Scientists

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Senators Warner and Allard imagine these nuclear weapons could be used in small-scale conventional conflicts against rogue dictators, while leaving most of the civilian population untouched. As one anonymous former Pentagon official put it to the Washington Post last spring, 

"What's needed now is something that can threaten a bunker tunneled under 300 meters of granite without killing the surrounding civilian population." 

Statements like these promote the illusion that nuclear weapons could be used in ways which minimize their "collateral damage," making them acceptable tools to be used like conventional weapons. 

As described in detail below, however, the use of any nuclear weapon capable of destroying a buried target that is otherwise immune to conventional attack will necessarily produce enormous numbers of civilian casualties. No earth-burrowing missile can penetrate deep enough into the earth to contain an explosion with a nuclear yield even as small as 1 percent of the 15 kiloton Hiroshima weapon. The explosion simply blows out a massive crater of radioactive dirt, which rains down on the local region with an especially intense and deadly fallout. 

..snip

Containment 
Just how deep must an underground nuclear explosion be buried in order for the blast and fallout to be contained? 

...snip

In order to be fully contained, nuclear explosions at the Nevada Test Site must be buried at a depth of 650 feet for a 5 kiloton explosive — 1300 feet for a 100-kiloton explosive. Even then, there are many documented cases where carefully sealed shafts ruptured and released radioactivity to the local environment. 

Therefore, even if an earth penetrating missile were somehow able to drill hundreds of feet into the ground and then detonate, the explosion would likely shower the surrounding region with highly radioactive dust and gas. 

...snip



SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET????

no penetrator can burrow that deeply and even if it could, how in heavens name would they be able to seal it to encapsulate the blast?


Quote: continuing...

...snip

Given these constraints, it is simply not possible for a kinetic energy weapon to penetrate deeply enough into the earth to contain a nuclear explosion. 

...snip



Mini nukes are a bad idea. But the idea of using them on underground targets would be even worse. They aren't going to be able to contain the blast or the fallout. Thousands of innocent lives will be lost.

Those that support the madness of using mini-nukes in urban settings will bear the responsibility for it. Everlasting responsibility.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[In order to debunk the righties supposition that earth penetrating bunker buster nukes can be used safely, you need powerful information. This site provides just that.

What you have to ask yourself is will the explosion be contained, because if it isn't, you are going to have fallout... and fallout will kill thousands if not millions of innocent people... 

So just how deep does a nuke have to be to contain ALL of the radioactivity?

This site will tell you that, and I guarantee after you have read it, you too will not believe any safety assurances coming out of the government regarding the use of mini-nukes. You will know that those assurances are patently false.


Quote:Low-Yield Earth-Penetrating Nuclear WeaponsBy Robert W. Nelson 
FAS Public Interest Report 
The Journal of the Federation of American Scientists

..snip

Senators Warner and Allard imagine these nuclear weapons could be used in small-scale conventional conflicts against rogue dictators, while leaving most of the civilian population untouched. As one anonymous former Pentagon official put it to the Washington Post last spring, 

"What's needed now is something that can threaten a bunker tunneled under 300 meters of granite without killing the surrounding civilian population." 

Statements like these promote the illusion that nuclear weapons could be used in ways which minimize their "collateral damage," making them acceptable tools to be used like conventional weapons. 

As described in detail below, however, the use of any nuclear weapon capable of destroying a buried target that is otherwise immune to conventional attack will necessarily produce enormous numbers of civilian casualties. No earth-burrowing missile can penetrate deep enough into the earth to contain an explosion with a nuclear yield even as small as 1 percent of the 15 kiloton Hiroshima weapon. The explosion simply blows out a massive crater of radioactive dirt, which rains down on the local region with an especially intense and deadly fallout. 

..snip

Containment 
Just how deep must an underground nuclear explosion be buried in order for the blast and fallout to be contained? 

...snip

In order to be fully contained, nuclear explosions at the Nevada Test Site must be buried at a depth of 650 feet for a 5 kiloton explosive — 1300 feet for a 100-kiloton explosive. Even then, there are many documented cases where carefully sealed shafts ruptured and released radioactivity to the local environment. 

Therefore, even if an earth penetrating missile were somehow able to drill hundreds of feet into the ground and then detonate, the explosion would likely shower the surrounding region with highly radioactive dust and gas. 

...snip



SIX HUNDRED AND FIFTY FEET????

no penetrator can burrow that deeply and even if it could, how in heavens name would they be able to seal it to encapsulate the blast?


Quote: continuing...

...snip

Given these constraints, it is simply not possible for a kinetic energy weapon to penetrate deeply enough into the earth to contain a nuclear explosion. 

...snip



Mini nukes are a bad idea. But the idea of using them on underground targets would be even worse. They aren't going to be able to contain the blast or the fallout. Thousands of innocent lives will be lost.

Those that support the madness of using mini-nukes in urban settings will bear the responsibility for it. Everlasting responsibility.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Effects of a Nuclear Explosion]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:26:53 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is an interesting site I have used in the past when discussing the effects of a nuclear bomb... (just click on the title to access the link)


Quote:Effects of a Nuclear Explosion

Damage caused by nuclear explosions can vary greatly, depending on the weapon's yield (measured in kilotons or megatons), the type of nuclear fuel used, the design of the device, whether it's exploded in the air or at earth's surface, the geography surrounding the target, whether it's winter or summer, hazy or clear, night or day, windy or calm. Whatever the factors, though, the explosion will release several distinct forms of energy. One form is the explosive blast. Other forms are direct nuclear radiation and thermal radiation. And then there's radioactive fallout -- not exactly energy released by the explosion, but still a destructive result.

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Fallout
You've seen the image: a mushroom cloud created by a nuclear explosion. Produced with a detonation at or near the earth's surface, this type of explosion results in far-ranging radioactive fallout. Earth and debris -- made radioactive by the nuclear explosion -- rises up, forming the mushroom cloud's stem. Much of this material falls directly back down close to ground zero within several minutes after the explosion, but some travels high into the atmosphere. This material will be dispersed over the earth during the following hours, days, months. In fact, some of the particles rising up through the mushroom will enter the stratosphere, where they could remain for tens of years. 

Wind direction, naturally, plays a significant role in how the radioactive fallout will be distributed. But so does wind speed. The Blast Mapper's fallout maps show the area where fallout would land if the wind were blowing at a steady 15 mph. Lighter winds would cause this area to be broader but not so deep. A stronger breeze would cause the fallout "plume" to be narrower and longer. 


]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This is an interesting site I have used in the past when discussing the effects of a nuclear bomb... (just click on the title to access the link)


Quote:Effects of a Nuclear Explosion

Damage caused by nuclear explosions can vary greatly, depending on the weapon's yield (measured in kilotons or megatons), the type of nuclear fuel used, the design of the device, whether it's exploded in the air or at earth's surface, the geography surrounding the target, whether it's winter or summer, hazy or clear, night or day, windy or calm. Whatever the factors, though, the explosion will release several distinct forms of energy. One form is the explosive blast. Other forms are direct nuclear radiation and thermal radiation. And then there's radioactive fallout -- not exactly energy released by the explosion, but still a destructive result.

...snip

Fallout
You've seen the image: a mushroom cloud created by a nuclear explosion. Produced with a detonation at or near the earth's surface, this type of explosion results in far-ranging radioactive fallout. Earth and debris -- made radioactive by the nuclear explosion -- rises up, forming the mushroom cloud's stem. Much of this material falls directly back down close to ground zero within several minutes after the explosion, but some travels high into the atmosphere. This material will be dispersed over the earth during the following hours, days, months. In fact, some of the particles rising up through the mushroom will enter the stratosphere, where they could remain for tens of years. 

Wind direction, naturally, plays a significant role in how the radioactive fallout will be distributed. But so does wind speed. The Blast Mapper's fallout maps show the area where fallout would land if the wind were blowing at a steady 15 mph. Lighter winds would cause this area to be broader but not so deep. A stronger breeze would cause the fallout "plume" to be narrower and longer. 


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			<title><![CDATA[The Party of Family Values]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=83</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 13:13:29 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I've heard for years that the republican party considers themselves to be The Party of Family Values. And for years, I've heard right wingers say that democrats are the party of sleeze, because of, no doubt, Clinton's mistakes with Monica Lewinsky... but... what the right always forgets is that even though what Bill did was wrong in the eyes of the Lord, it was NOT illegal.

So this thread will be one where I and others will show you that republicans are not just as sleezy as you think the democrats&nbsp;&nbsp;are... they are worse...

I'm going to start with Neal Horsely... a republican anti-abortionist from down&nbsp;&nbsp;in Georgia... perhaps our southern members will be able to confirm or deny the allegations Neal makes during this interview on Fox Radio...


Quote:Neal Horsely Finds Love

Last night, anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex.

At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it."

"Is it true?" Colmes asked.

"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."

AC: "You had sex with animals?"

NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."

NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"

AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"

NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."

Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?"

Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."

...snip


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I've heard for years that the republican party considers themselves to be The Party of Family Values. And for years, I've heard right wingers say that democrats are the party of sleeze, because of, no doubt, Clinton's mistakes with Monica Lewinsky... but... what the right always forgets is that even though what Bill did was wrong in the eyes of the Lord, it was NOT illegal.

So this thread will be one where I and others will show you that republicans are not just as sleezy as you think the democrats&nbsp;&nbsp;are... they are worse...

I'm going to start with Neal Horsely... a republican anti-abortionist from down&nbsp;&nbsp;in Georgia... perhaps our southern members will be able to confirm or deny the allegations Neal makes during this interview on Fox Radio...


Quote:Neal Horsely Finds Love

Last night, anti-abortion extremist Neal Horsley was a guest on The Alan Colmes Show, a FOX News radio program. The topic was an interesting one - whether or not an internet service provider should allow Horsley to post the names of abortion doctors on his website. Horsley does that as a way of targeting them and one doctor has been killed. In the course of the interview, however, Colmes asked Horsley about his background, including a statement that he had admitted to engaging in homosexual and bestiality sex.

At first, Horsley laughed and said, "Just because it's printed in the media, people jump to believe it."

"Is it true?" Colmes asked.

"Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I..."

AC: "You had sex with animals?"

NH: "Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule."

AC: "I'm not so sure that that is so."

NH: "You didn't grow up on a farm in Georgia, did you?"

AC: "Are you suggesting that everybody who grows up on a farm in Georgia has a mule as a girlfriend?"

NH: It has historically been the case. You people are so far removed from the reality... Welcome to domestic life on the farm..."

Colmes said he thought there were a lot of people in the audience who grew up on farms, are living on farms now, raising kids on farms and "and I don't think they are dating Elsie right now. You know what I'm saying?"

Horsley said, "You experiment with anything that moves when you are growing up sexually. You're naive. You know better than that... If it's warm and it's damp and it vibrates you might in fact have sex with it."

...snip


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			<title><![CDATA[Depleted Uranium Kills ...your tax dollars at work]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=82</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:40:33 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Depleted Uranium Kills ...your tax dollars at work
How America Nukes Its Own Troops
The Horrible Truth About U.S. Military's Use of Depleted Uranium (DU) 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Depleted Uranium Kills ...your tax dollars at work
How America Nukes Its Own Troops
The Horrible Truth About U.S. Military's Use of Depleted Uranium (DU) 
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			<title><![CDATA[How about a forum for....]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=81</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 11:29:50 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Since Depleted Uranium Munitions (DUMb) is one of the most depressing topics to discuss these days, how about a forum to unwind from it? 

It could be on the very bottom of the board... a fun forum... an informative forum... something uplifting... 

Astronomy Picture of the Day Archives]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Since Depleted Uranium Munitions (DUMb) is one of the most depressing topics to discuss these days, how about a forum to unwind from it? 

It could be on the very bottom of the board... a fun forum... an informative forum... something uplifting... 

Astronomy Picture of the Day Archives]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Depleted Uranium, Increased Risk]]></title>
			<link>http://www.dubbs.info/bbs/showthread.php?tid=80</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 10:31:59 -0700</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I find it extremely distasteful that we are spreading our nuclear waste willynilly in other countries in the name of liberation, freedom and democracy. It's a crime, pure and simple. IMO, the billions of people that will die as a result of ingesting this crap are the responsibility of those that support it's use in warfare, be they military or civilian.


Quote:Depleted Uranium, Increased Risk
Weapons the Department of Defense claims are harmless have serious and lasting effects. 

By Perry O’Brien, Cornell University
September 5, 2007


...snip

For the Department of Defense, DU is cheap and readily available: The Cold War left the United States with about half a million tons of the stuff. 

The thing the DoD often doesn’t like to talk about is that depleted uranium is both radioactive and toxic, putting its use in violation of some basic tenets of the Geneva Conventions. Defenders of DU (mainly the United States and Britain) have argued that it’s perfectly safe to hold a sabot round in your hand. That’s probably true, but when a sabot round hits its target, much of the shell aerosolizes into a ceramic dust that can enter the soil. This dust contaminates food and water supplies and can be inhaled or absorbed into the body through open wounds. A variety of critics, including veterans’ organizations, independent researchers, and the European Parliament, have charged that this dust has created serious health problems for exposed soldiers and civilians. If it’s as toxic as they say, then the use of DU violates at least three international laws.

...snip

DU is a radioactive substance. The Defense Department points out that alpha waves emitted by DU are stopped by human skin. But on the battlefield a DU weapon can easily enter the body as dust or metal shrapnel. Under international law, this puts DU weapons like the sabot round into the same category with nuclear and chemical weapons that cause “indiscriminate destruction.” A 1990 report for the U.S. Army warned of the radiological dangers to soldiers and civilian populations posed by depleted uranium, but more recent reports funded by the DoD have contradicted these concerns.

...snip


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I find it extremely distasteful that we are spreading our nuclear waste willynilly in other countries in the name of liberation, freedom and democracy. It's a crime, pure and simple. IMO, the billions of people that will die as a result of ingesting this crap are the responsibility of those that support it's use in warfare, be they military or civilian.


Quote:Depleted Uranium, Increased Risk
Weapons the Department of Defense claims are harmless have serious and lasting effects. 

By Perry O’Brien, Cornell University
September 5, 2007


...snip

For the Department of Defense, DU is cheap and readily available: The Cold War left the United States with about half a million tons of the stuff. 

The thing the DoD often doesn’t like to talk about is that depleted uranium is both radioactive and toxic, putting its use in violation of some basic tenets of the Geneva Conventions. Defenders of DU (mainly the United States and Britain) have argued that it’s perfectly safe to hold a sabot round in your hand. That’s probably true, but when a sabot round hits its target, much of the shell aerosolizes into a ceramic dust that can enter the soil. This dust contaminates food and water supplies and can be inhaled or absorbed into the body through open wounds. A variety of critics, including veterans’ organizations, independent researchers, and the European Parliament, have charged that this dust has created serious health problems for exposed soldiers and civilians. If it’s as toxic as they say, then the use of DU violates at least three international laws.

...snip

DU is a radioactive substance. The Defense Department points out that alpha waves emitted by DU are stopped by human skin. But on the battlefield a DU weapon can easily enter the body as dust or metal shrapnel. Under international law, this puts DU weapons like the sabot round into the same category with nuclear and chemical weapons that cause “indiscriminate destruction.” A 1990 report for the U.S. Army warned of the radiological dangers to soldiers and civilian populations posed by depleted uranium, but more recent reports funded by the DoD have contradicted these concerns.

...snip


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